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        <title>101. (June 2021) A Memory Called Empire by Arkady Martine — The Tabletop Roleplayers' Book Club</title>
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        <title>A Desolation Called Peace</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>RichardAbbott</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>I finally got around to reading this book, the follow-up to <em>A Memory Called Empire</em>, and found it extraordinarily good. Beautifully crafted language, some fascinating world-building of different facets of the universe of the first book, and some fascinating plot ideas. Without (hopefully) giving away any spoilers, the novel explores multiple ways that individuals can share identity, memory, and self with one another. Some of the reviewers seem to have got hung up on the lesbian relationship aspects of the book, but that is only a single facet of the whole, making use of sexual intimacy as a parallel to other kinds of relational intimacy. It's hard to say which of the two I enjoyed more - <em>Memory</em> had a freshness about it whereas Desolation comes across as a more finely crafted piece. Anyway, I'd recommend it to anyone who enjoyed <em>Memory</em>.</p>
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        <title>A Memory Called Empire Q5: Poetry</title>
        <link>https://www.ttrpbc.com/discussion/629/a-memory-called-empire-q5-poetry</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 09:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>A few questions here.</p>

<p>While the book is an exploration of a culture that venerates and practises poetry, there's precious little actual poetry in the book. There are a few instances where Martine's written the odd couplet. The rest is a description of what the poetry means and how it's expressed. It could be an example of "tell, don't show". Does Martine's approach work in this context? Would you have liked more poetry written verbatim?</p>

<p>Martine's thoughts on writing poetry: <a href="https://www.torforgeblog.com/2021/01/07/poetry-of-a-memory-called-empire/" rel="nofollow">https://www.torforgeblog.com/2021/01/07/poetry-of-a-memory-called-empire/</a></p>

<p>Poetry is a medium where the words have multiple meanings and the reader has to interpret them. How does that fit with the politics of the Teixcalaani court, where no-one says what they actually want? </p>

<p>How did the poetry act as being a barrier between native Teixcalaanlitzlim and outsiders like Mahit? What other markers have you seen in fiction to separate cultures?</p>
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        <title>A Memory Called Empire Q8: Gaming</title>
        <link>https://www.ttrpbc.com/discussion/632/a-memory-called-empire-q8-gaming</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 09:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>NeilNjae</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>There are many things that could be taken from this book, into a game. There's The City itself, and the imperial court within it, and the protestors looking to overthrow or reform the system. There's scope for mil-sf with the various wars of pacification and annexation. There could be stories on Lsel, whether internal politics or dealing with the aliens. </p>

<p>There are also wider ideas. Does this book help you with games of high politics, or clashes of cultures, or portraying different societies generally? Does it help you bring art and culture into your games? Should you have more food and cooking?</p>
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        <title>A Memory Called Empire Q4: Ekphrasis</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 09:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>NeilNjae</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Martine draws rich descriptions of Mahit's experiences of the city. We don't just see the sights, we have the sounds, the smells, the flavours, as well as Mahit's internal sensations of spaces, crowds, anxiety, pain, and all the rest. This intimate, visceral description is different from much SF/F, which (I think) tends towards a more sanitised description of the world. </p>

<p>Did the description work? Did it immerse you in that world? Was it too much or not enough? </p>

<p>And, more generally, what did you think of the writing overall? </p>
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        <title>A Memory Called Empire Q3: Aliens</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 09:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>NeilNjae</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The book gives us not one but two new civilisations to explore, and they're in a state where both of them are out of balance. Given Martine's day job (historian of Byzantium) I wouldn't dream of asking whether the cultures are "believable". But how well were they communicated? Did you understand the mindsets of the different people, and how their cultures motivated and guided their actions? Did you understand the status quo people were trying to preserve or change?</p>

<p>Mahit goes to Teixcalaan. Eleven Lathe went to the Ebrekti. Three Seagrass idolises Eleven Lathe. What should we take from these parallels?</p>

<p>Could Martine have told a story of Teixcalaanli politics without the viewpoint character being an outsider? Would the story have worked if told from the viewpoint of Three Seagrass or Five Agate?</p>
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        <title>A Memory Called Empire Q2: Empire</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 09:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>NeilNjae</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Teixcalaan is an expansionist, imperialist state with an explicit goal to conquer and assimilate all those around it. Lsel is already affected by that imperialism, the terms of the soft power of cultural influence. There are many responses to that fact of the setting.</p>

<p>Mahit loves all things Teixcalaani, even though she realises she can never be one. Three Seagrass loves outsiders, even if she instinctively looks down on them. Yskander and Darj Tarats want to manipulate Teixcalaan into getting a pragmatic response. Amnardbat wants to expunge Lsel of every trace of Teixcalaani influence. Six Direction wants the imago technology. Lsel is below Nineteen Adze's attention.</p>

<p>What about Gorlaeth, the ambassador from Dava?</p>

<p>In various interviews. Martine says she was motivated by a small state being annexed by the Byzantines, which traded political sovereignty for cultural freedom. </p>

<p>What's the right response to an encroaching, possibly unstoppable, empire? Do you preserve your heritage and culture, or your freedom and agency? Does this book help you understand some possible responses?</p>
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        <title>A Memory Called Empire Q6: People</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 09:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>We get to know many characters in the book: Mahit, Three Seagrass, Twelve Azalea, Yskander, Nineteen Adze. What do you think about these characters? Were they distinct, well-drawn, interesting? Were they believable, acting for reasons of character over plot? </p>

<p>And how important to the story was it that Petal died?</p>
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        <title>A Memory Called Empire Q7: Desire</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 09:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Characters' motivations in the book are a mix of rationality and base desire.</p>

<p>One Lightning and Thirty Larkspur want power. Six Direction wants immortality, settling for a legacy. Nineteen Adze becomes a Platonic philosopher-king, wielding power without desiring it; but she saves Mahit for no reason beyond not wanting to watch someone else die in agony. Yskander loved and lusted, as well as using those emotions as tools. Mahit and Three Seagrass are both xenophiles, as well as flirting with each other and trying to save their homes. Mahit feels Yskander's spillover love for Six Direction and Nineteen Adze. The Sunlit have no identity, having all their personality subsumed into the City's algorithm.</p>

<p>Do you think it an accurate portrayal of how politics is motivated and carried out? Were there wider forces at play than just what a few people wanted?</p>
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        <title>A Memory Called Empire Q1: Memory</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 09:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>NeilNjae</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Memory, heritage, and the past is a big part of the novel. Lsel has the imago-machines, to give a memories to a successor. Teixcalaan has literature. Lsel's memory is private, immutable, and true. Teixcalaan's memory is public, ever-changing, and serves a purpose. To some extent, Lsel believes the stories Teixcalaan tells about itself; the Teixcalaanlitzlim don't. Teixcalaanlitzlim believe that the imago-machines give immortality; Stationers know better.</p>

<p>What about Yskander's changing impact? From out-of-date informant to source of unexpected lusts to traumatised political operator?</p>

<p>How do these different understandings and misunderstandings of memory drive the plot? </p>
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        <title>A Memory Called Empire Q9: Teixcalaan</title>
        <link>https://www.ttrpbc.com/discussion/633/a-memory-called-empire-q9-teixcalaan</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 10:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>NeilNjae</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Teixcalaan. The Empire / The World / The City. Container of all things.</p>

<p>There's a lot in this book, and many things I couldn't frame into neat discussion starters.</p>

<ul>
<li>Violence, and its role in diplomacy and politics.</li>
<li>Identity, belonging, exile, and bridging gaps between cultures.</li>
<li>Gender identity and gender roles</li>
<li>Privilege and aristocracy</li>
<li>Individuals vs groups, diversity vs homogeneity</li>
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<p>What else should we talk about?</p>
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        <title>June choice: A Memory Called Empire</title>
        <link>https://www.ttrpbc.com/discussion/618/june-choice-a-memory-called-empire</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2021 07:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>101. (June 2021) A Memory Called Empire by Arkady Martine</category>
        <dc:creator>NeilNjae</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><em>A Memory Called Empire</em> has elements of space opera, cyberpunk, and vast amounts of political thriller. The author is a scholar of Byzantine history, and used that to tell a tale of high drama, plots-within-plots and politics red in tooth and claw. That's literal! The book kicks off with the protagonist off to replace her possibly-murdered predecessor. She wrote about [<a href="https://www.torforgeblog.com/2021/02/28/six-things-i-borrowed-wholesale-from-history-for-a-memory-called-empire/]" rel="nofollow">https://www.torforgeblog.com/2021/02/28/six-things-i-borrowed-wholesale-from-history-for-a-memory-called-empire/]</a>(some of the things she took from history), including the central idea she had when writing the novel: Could you betray your culture’s freedom in order to save your culture?</p>

<p>It won the 2020 Hugo.</p>

<p>Blurb:</p>

<p>Ambassador Mahit Dzmare arrives in the center of the multi-system Teixcalaanli Empire only to discover that her predecessor, the previous ambassador from their small but fiercely independent mining Station, has died. But no one will admit that his death wasn't an accident—or that Mahit might be next to die, during a time of political instability in the highest echelons of the imperial court.</p>

<p>Now, Mahit must discover who is behind the murder, rescue herself, and save her Station from Teixcalaan's unceasing expansion—all while navigating an alien culture that is all too seductive, engaging in intrigues of her own, and hiding a deadly technological secret—one that might spell the end of her Station and her way of life—or rescue it from annihilation.</p>
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